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		<title>Comment on Car Capacity Is Not Sacred by John Bailo</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Bailo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 21:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;b&gt;Urban Legends: Why Suburbs, Not Dense Cities, are the Future&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;In fact, the suburbs are not as terrible as urban boosters frequently insist.

Consider the environment. We tend to associate suburbia with carbon dioxide-producing sprawl and urban areas with sustainability and green living. But though it's true that urban residents use less gas to get to work than their suburban or rural counterparts, when it comes to overall energy use the picture gets more complicated. Studies in Australia and Spain have found that when you factor in apartment common areas, second residences, consumption, and air travel, urban residents can easily use more energy than their less densely packed neighbors. Moreover, studies around the world -- from Beijing and Rome to London and Vancouver -- have found that packed concentrations of concrete, asphalt, steel, and glass produce what are known as "heat islands," generating 6 to 10 degrees Celsius more heat than surrounding areas and extending as far as twice a city's political boundaries.

When it comes to inequality, cities might even be the problem. In the West, the largest cities today also tend to suffer the most extreme polarization of incomes. In 1980, Manhattan ranked 17th among U.S. counties for income disparity; by 2007 it was first, with the top fifth of wage earners earning 52 times what the bottom fifth earned. In Toronto between 1970 and 2001, according to one recent study, middle-income neighborhoods shrank by half, dropping from two-thirds of the city to one-third, while poor districts more than doubled to 40 percent. By 2020, middle-class neighborhoods could fall to about 10 percent.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://foxandhoundsdaily.com/blog/joel-kotkin/7621-urban-legends-why-suburbs-not-dense-cities-are-future</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Urban Legends: Why Suburbs, Not Dense Cities, are the Future</b></p>
<blockquote><p>In fact, the suburbs are not as terrible as urban boosters frequently insist.</p>
<p>Consider the environment. We tend to associate suburbia with carbon dioxide-producing sprawl and urban areas with sustainability and green living. But though it&#8217;s true that urban residents use less gas to get to work than their suburban or rural counterparts, when it comes to overall energy use the picture gets more complicated. Studies in Australia and Spain have found that when you factor in apartment common areas, second residences, consumption, and air travel, urban residents can easily use more energy than their less densely packed neighbors. Moreover, studies around the world &#8212; from Beijing and Rome to London and Vancouver &#8212; have found that packed concentrations of concrete, asphalt, steel, and glass produce what are known as &#8220;heat islands,&#8221; generating 6 to 10 degrees Celsius more heat than surrounding areas and extending as far as twice a city&#8217;s political boundaries.</p>
<p>When it comes to inequality, cities might even be the problem. In the West, the largest cities today also tend to suffer the most extreme polarization of incomes. In 1980, Manhattan ranked 17th among U.S. counties for income disparity; by 2007 it was first, with the top fifth of wage earners earning 52 times what the bottom fifth earned. In Toronto between 1970 and 2001, according to one recent study, middle-income neighborhoods shrank by half, dropping from two-thirds of the city to one-third, while poor districts more than doubled to 40 percent. By 2020, middle-class neighborhoods could fall to about 10 percent.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://foxandhoundsdaily.com/blog/joel-kotkin/7621-urban-legends-why-suburbs-not-dense-cities-are-future" rel="nofollow">http://foxandhoundsdaily.com/blog/joel-kotkin/7621-urban-legends-why-suburbs-not-dense-cities-are-future</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Car Capacity Is Not Sacred by John Bailo</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Bailo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 21:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, why didn't I see it before.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Use high taxes, density and mass transit, and everyone will abandon their cars and move into the city.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Case in point, high density, high tax, high transit Boston Massachusetts.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Just look at these empty highways...I can see a tumbleweed rolling down the left lane:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href="http://74.8.145.59/cam_updated_images/222.jpg"&gt;http://74.8.145.59/cam_updated_images/222.jpg&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It's like the Day the Earth Stood Still!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They must all be on MBTA...nope, no cars there.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;

[Image from http://www1.eot.state.ma.us/ ]
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, why didn&#8217;t I see it before.</p>
<p>Use high taxes, density and mass transit, and everyone will abandon their cars and move into the city.</p>
<p>Case in point, high density, high tax, high transit Boston Massachusetts.</p>
<p>Just look at these empty highways&#8230;I can see a tumbleweed rolling down the left lane:</p>
<p><a href="http://74.8.145.59/cam_updated_images/222.jpg">http://74.8.145.59/cam_updated_images/222.jpg</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s like the Day the Earth Stood Still!</p>
<p>They must all be on MBTA&#8230;nope, no cars there.</p>
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<p>[Image from <a href="http://www1.eot.state.ma.us/" rel="nofollow">http://www1.eot.state.ma.us/</a> ]</p>
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		<title>Comment on We Simply Do Not Have the Luxury of Being Purists by TeamSeattle</title>
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		<dc:creator>TeamSeattle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 21:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mean, like call an election now? I'd love that. But crikey-- who else is out there? I don't mean "likely Mayoral candidates" (take a seat, Bagshaw &amp; Burgess), I mean people who could actually do this job. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean, like call an election now? I&#8217;d love that. But crikey&#8211; who else is out there? I don&#8217;t mean &#8220;likely Mayoral candidates&#8221; (take a seat, Bagshaw &#038; Burgess), I mean people who could actually do this job.</p>
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		<title>Comment on We Simply Do Not Have the Luxury of Being Purists by gloomy gus</title>
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		<dc:creator>gloomy gus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 21:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim B. and Sally B., it could be backers or opponents floating this one - that's why I think it'd be fun to find out who, and why - the more byzantine the motives the more fun it is to read about. Maybe in the fullness of time we'll learn more, but these days it's unlikely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim B. and Sally B., it could be backers or opponents floating this one &#8211; that&#8217;s why I think it&#8217;d be fun to find out who, and why &#8211; the more byzantine the motives the more fun it is to read about. Maybe in the fullness of time we&#8217;ll learn more, but these days it&#8217;s unlikely.</p>
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		<title>Comment on We Simply Do Not Have the Luxury of Being Purists by Tim B. and Sally B. </title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim B. and Sally B. </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 20:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please, let's top talking about this rumor as if it is fact.  Talking only serves to undermine the mayor and his future by creating an appearance that he's already given up on reelection.  this is how rumors are "created" by political opponents.  Certainly no one in Seatle would do that deliberately, or as an unwitting carrier of the rumor.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please, let&#8217;s top talking about this rumor as if it is fact.  Talking only serves to undermine the mayor and his future by creating an appearance that he&#8217;s already given up on reelection.  this is how rumors are &#8220;created&#8221; by political opponents.  Certainly no one in Seatle would do that deliberately, or as an unwitting carrier of the rumor.</p>
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		<title>Comment on We Simply Do Not Have the Luxury of Being Purists by Joe Szilagyi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Szilagyi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 20:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's not silly. I call for a Dicks Initiative, demanding the state finance a Dick's Drive In in every city, town, incorporated area, unincorporated area, inside every state park, and in every Federal park.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not silly. I call for a Dicks Initiative, demanding the state finance a Dick&#8217;s Drive In in every city, town, incorporated area, unincorporated area, inside every state park, and in every Federal park.</p>
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		<title>Comment on McGinn and Holmes Correct the Record on Pot Arrests by unbelieveable</title>
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		<dc:creator>unbelieveable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 20:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously  does the mayor really need to defend his position that he "is" soft on crime.

Hmmmm the Mayor think must be:   "we really are soft on crime but if you are a transient wood carver, we will shoot you because dammit!, i am sick and tired of those whitlers messing up our city and tasering is just not good enough."


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously  does the mayor really need to defend his position that he &#8220;is&#8221; soft on crime.</p>
<p>Hmmmm the Mayor think must be:   &#8220;we really are soft on crime but if you are a transient wood carver, we will shoot you because dammit!, i am sick and tired of those whitlers messing up our city and tasering is just not good enough.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Car Capacity Is Not Sacred by Nemo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 20:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your and JB's  points are not in dispute by anyone on this thread. What seems to be the issue is "bulid it and they will come." vs. the cart before the horse. 

Developers have thrown a wrench into this, by being allowed to build very overpriced and lesser quality housing near current and planned transportation corridors. The zoning changes and loopholes were terrible and only now are they realizing the upzoning is not going to accomplish anything for the majority of people it was designed to benefit. 

The "market" is not a solution now, and with the current status quo as a result, was not before. Most of the middle and lower income people you want to keep can't keep up with the "market," which is STILL artifically inflated and greed driven. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your and JB&#8217;s  points are not in dispute by anyone on this thread. What seems to be the issue is &#8220;bulid it and they will come.&#8221; vs. the cart before the horse. </p>
<p>Developers have thrown a wrench into this, by being allowed to build very overpriced and lesser quality housing near current and planned transportation corridors. The zoning changes and loopholes were terrible and only now are they realizing the upzoning is not going to accomplish anything for the majority of people it was designed to benefit. </p>
<p>The &#8220;market&#8221; is not a solution now, and with the current status quo as a result, was not before. Most of the middle and lower income people you want to keep can&#8217;t keep up with the &#8220;market,&#8221; which is STILL artifically inflated and greed driven.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Car Capacity Is Not Sacred by Anc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 20:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As usual, you are a retard.  The Grid system while used by the Roman Legions to lay out their camps, was adopted from the Greeks who developed it not for reasons of control but from the study of geometric patterns (it is believed that a student of Pythagoras first came up with it).   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual, you are a retard.  The Grid system while used by the Roman Legions to lay out their camps, was adopted from the Greeks who developed it not for reasons of control but from the study of geometric patterns (it is believed that a student of Pythagoras first came up with it).</p>
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		<title>Comment on McGinn Clarifies City’s Taser Policy by tpn</title>
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		<dc:creator>tpn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 20:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another softball pitch missed by McGinn. He could be all over this as an issue, especially to placate is so-called coalition, if not simply to do the right thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another softball pitch missed by McGinn. He could be all over this as an issue, especially to placate is so-called coalition, if not simply to do the right thing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on PubliColaTV: The Progressive Take on the 2010 Ballot Measures by Sarajane Siegfriedt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarajane Siegfriedt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 20:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Progressives care that the proposed income tax on the wealthiest 1% would add $2 billion a year for a trust fund for education and health care, addressing an education funding gap that the state is under court order to fix. No other funding source comes close.

Progressives care that privatizing state liquor stores would cost the state at least $150 - 275 million for the next five years, but eliminating all state liquor taxes, as I-1105 does, costs $500 to $700 million. Assuming Tim Eyman's gridlock initiative makes it impossible to pass new liquor taxes, and assuming that Democratic majority shrinks or disappears, no Republicans are going to step forward to help meet his 2/3 requirement to reinstate them.

Progressives care, and everyone should care, that I-1105, and to a lesser extend I-1100, will the state to eliminate its Basic Health Plan for adults, Adult Day Health, child care for moms on welfare, low-income housing subsidies, supports for the Disability Lifeline and much more. Cities and counties are already cutting prosecutor and public safety line positions. We can't afford I-1105.

Progressives care that eliminating the sales tax on candy, soda and bottled water, as I-1107 does, not only costs the state over $100 million a year, but cities and counties another $83 million over five years. Worse, Ref. 52 that would pay for renovating pre-1970s school buildings, making them safer, healthier and more energy-efficient, depends on making the bottled-water tax permanent to fund its 30,000 stimulus jobs in the hardest-hit construction industry.

Do progressives care that our economy begins to recover, that we maintain basic health services and that we maintain taxes on things that are optional and not life-sustaining? Heck, yes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Progressives care that the proposed income tax on the wealthiest 1% would add $2 billion a year for a trust fund for education and health care, addressing an education funding gap that the state is under court order to fix. No other funding source comes close.</p>
<p>Progressives care that privatizing state liquor stores would cost the state at least $150 &#8211; 275 million for the next five years, but eliminating all state liquor taxes, as I-1105 does, costs $500 to $700 million. Assuming Tim Eyman&#8217;s gridlock initiative makes it impossible to pass new liquor taxes, and assuming that Democratic majority shrinks or disappears, no Republicans are going to step forward to help meet his 2/3 requirement to reinstate them.</p>
<p>Progressives care, and everyone should care, that I-1105, and to a lesser extend I-1100, will the state to eliminate its Basic Health Plan for adults, Adult Day Health, child care for moms on welfare, low-income housing subsidies, supports for the Disability Lifeline and much more. Cities and counties are already cutting prosecutor and public safety line positions. We can&#8217;t afford I-1105.</p>
<p>Progressives care that eliminating the sales tax on candy, soda and bottled water, as I-1107 does, not only costs the state over $100 million a year, but cities and counties another $83 million over five years. Worse, Ref. 52 that would pay for renovating pre-1970s school buildings, making them safer, healthier and more energy-efficient, depends on making the bottled-water tax permanent to fund its 30,000 stimulus jobs in the hardest-hit construction industry.</p>
<p>Do progressives care that our economy begins to recover, that we maintain basic health services and that we maintain taxes on things that are optional and not life-sustaining? Heck, yes!</p>
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		<title>Comment on McGinn and Holmes Correct the Record on Pot Arrests by Nemo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 20:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I wonder if The Stranger will issue a retraction based upon this information. It would be the classy, and right thing to do. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I wonder if The Stranger will issue a retraction based upon this information. It would be the classy, and right thing to do.</p>
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		<title>Comment on We Simply Do Not Have the Luxury of Being Purists by Reasoned</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reasoned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 19:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're kidding, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re kidding, right?</p>
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		<title>Comment on We Simply Do Not Have the Luxury of Being Purists by David Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 19:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, what office? Mayor and Exec are both 2013.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, what office? Mayor and Exec are both 2013.</p>
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		<title>Comment on We Simply Do Not Have the Luxury of Being Purists by Comment</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 19:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now it's not silk stockings, it's "monied interests."

I've lived here for 43 years and I've never been one to really understand this.  Seattle is one of the most liberal cities in America.  Liberal politics generally go hand in hand with progressive, anti-monied politics.  Don't believe me? Try living in a similarly sized city in the Midwest or South-East.

It never seemed to me like "monied interests" held any particular sway in this town. And for those very few that do (e.g., Vulcan), it seems like this Mayor gets along with them just fine.

When I was a kid here, the social justice Catholics had significant influence.  But, that waned long ago.

Unions had influence, and although they still do they aren't nearly as powerful as they once were.

Downtown developers had a lot of influence one time - not so long ago.  But with the general desire to clean up downtown and add density, that was something of a win-win.  Less so now.  No money in it.

Maybe I've not noticed the "monied interests" cabal.  Or, maybe, like the silk stocking crowd I've just misidentified where they are?  When you see one of them, can you point them out to me?

I bet they look just like the Monopoly Man.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now it&#8217;s not silk stockings, it&#8217;s &#8220;monied interests.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve lived here for 43 years and I&#8217;ve never been one to really understand this.  Seattle is one of the most liberal cities in America.  Liberal politics generally go hand in hand with progressive, anti-monied politics.  Don&#8217;t believe me? Try living in a similarly sized city in the Midwest or South-East.</p>
<p>It never seemed to me like &#8220;monied interests&#8221; held any particular sway in this town. And for those very few that do (e.g., Vulcan), it seems like this Mayor gets along with them just fine.</p>
<p>When I was a kid here, the social justice Catholics had significant influence.  But, that waned long ago.</p>
<p>Unions had influence, and although they still do they aren&#8217;t nearly as powerful as they once were.</p>
<p>Downtown developers had a lot of influence one time &#8211; not so long ago.  But with the general desire to clean up downtown and add density, that was something of a win-win.  Less so now.  No money in it.</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;ve not noticed the &#8220;monied interests&#8221; cabal.  Or, maybe, like the silk stocking crowd I&#8217;ve just misidentified where they are?  When you see one of them, can you point them out to me?</p>
<p>I bet they look just like the Monopoly Man.</p>
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